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🗓️ 10 January 2026
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| 0:00.0 | I'm John Baxter with Professor Gary Bass. |
| 0:07.4 | His new book is Judgment at Tokyo, World War II on trial and the making of modern Asia. |
| 0:13.3 | Douglas MacArthur, five-star general, the American occupation force in place in September, October, November, December of 1945. What is to be done? |
| 0:25.4 | Democratization, Christianization, a rebuilding of the Japanese society. It's not only in tatters, |
| 0:32.6 | it's in ashes. McArthur rides in from the airport when he first lands in August of 45, and he rides past what the professor reports is 22 miles of ruins, charred ruins. |
| 0:46.8 | Curtis LeMay has burned Tokyo, burned Japan. |
| 0:51.1 | There's nothing there. |
| 0:52.3 | They're beginning again. |
| 0:53.9 | The Hiroshima and Nagasaki |
| 0:55.7 | war of destruction resembles what the rest of Japan looked like. Now we come to the fact that |
| 1:02.8 | there are men who are waiting for their own fate. And it's important to mention, as the |
| 1:09.3 | professor does, that the army and the Navy and the |
| 1:12.5 | ministry started burning papers immediately upon the day of surrender, immediately, burning |
| 1:18.1 | what is estimated to be 70% of the documents about the Nanjing massacres. So the trial ahead |
| 1:25.5 | is going to struggle to recover information. |
| 1:28.8 | We need to go now to the arrest of Tojo Hideki, a very vivid military man who became prime minister. |
| 1:38.5 | And there's a photograph in the professor's book of Tojo bowing to the emperor. |
| 1:44.0 | You can understand the formality of his relationship to his, the Meiji emperor. |
| 1:49.5 | Tojo tries to kill himself. |
| 1:50.8 | Do we believe it, Professor? |
| 1:52.0 | Because he does a very bad job of it. |
| 1:54.0 | And this is a very precise man. |
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