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S8 Ep292: IRAN IS MORE THAN PERSIA: A DIVERSE MOSAIC OF ETHNIC MINORITIES Colleague Brenda Shaffer. Brenda Shaffer discusses her book, Iran is More than Persia, arguing that Iran is not a monolithic Persian state but a diverse mosaic where ethnic minorities compris

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🗓️ 10 January 2026

⏱️ 11 minutes

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IRAN IS MORE THAN PERSIA: A DIVERSE MOSAIC OF ETHNIC MINORITIES Colleague Brenda Shaffer. Brenda Shaffer discusses her book, Iran is More than Persia, arguing that Iran is not a monolithic Persian state but a diverse mosaic where ethnic minorities comprise roughly half the population. She explains how the 20th-century shift to Persian nationalism marginalized groups like the Azerbaijanis, Kurds, and Baluch. Shaffer notes that current anti-regime protests involve these previously pacified groups, highlighting the regime's failure to fully subjugate peripheral regions like Sistan-Baluchistan. NUMBER 1
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0:00.0

This is CBS Eye on the World. Here's John Batchelor.

0:10.2

Iran is more than Persia, a new book from Professor Brenda Schaefer of the Foundation for the Defense of Democracies.

0:18.7

Ethnic politics in Iran.

0:26.9

Iran is a bad actor, part of the axis that is now attacking Ukraine.

0:34.3

However, Iran is a state that emerges from the 20th century, here in the 21st century,

0:37.0

with much paradox. And Professor Schaefer's book introduces us to some

0:41.5

aspects of those paradoxes uh brenda a very good evening to thank you for this persianness

0:48.6

and the farsi language are presumed this far away from ir Iran to be the language of the whole country

0:56.9

and the culture of the whole country. Your book makes it very quickly obvious that that is not the

1:03.3

case, that the Persianness is perhaps 50 percent, but the languages are as United Nations as we could ask. The ethnic minorities, each of them

1:16.2

have distinct profiles. They come from far away. Some have different religions than Shia.

1:23.4

Some have the religions of the area. All of this is in play all the time in Iran. So I want to begin

1:30.7

with the largest of the ethnic minorities, the Azerbaijani's, the Azaris. They are associated with

1:37.5

the northwest of Iran. Who are the Azerbaijani Iranians today? And how do they think of themselves?

1:44.7

Good evening to you.

1:46.2

Good evening, John.

1:47.2

You know, we use the terms Iran and Persia interchangeably for, you know, for a couple hundred years.

1:54.4

But actually, as you said, you said correctly, you know, Iran is something very different than just the Persian group. That would be like

2:02.2

calling the British English or calling all the, you know, the Soviets, and, you know, when the Soviet

2:07.6

Union broke up, we discovered it was a whole mosaic of peoples and peoples with different

2:11.9

aspirations. But actually, you know, you started asking about the Azerbaijani Turks in Iran.

2:18.3

Up until the 20th century, Iran was always a Turk-O-Iranian empire with the political leadership

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