This is CBSI on the world. I'm John Batchel with Gary Rivlin, who is very generous to help me understand his new book, AI Valley, Microsoft, Google, and the trillion-dollar race to cash you in on artificial intelligence. This is not a series of algorithms. This does not require you to know how to code. These are personalities.

They're very important personalities.

And Mark Zuckerberg now enters the stage.

Where is meta?

Did they go wrong?

What have they got, Gary?

Well, you know, meta, they were really early on.

They were just behind Google in jumping on machine learning.

This dates back to the early 2010s.

And they too suffered the same problem.

You know, the innovator's dilemma, as it's called, that, you know, they could create

cutting-edge models within the company, but then they're scared to release it because it,

what it might do, you know, to their existing revenues. And so, you know, META, right before

CHAPT came out, they had a rival. They put it out for a day or two. They didn't like some

of those things that said, so they just pulled it. So MET meta did something, Zuckerberg said something really, really smart at the beginning of

2023.

Like, okay, chat GPT is out there.

Microsoft has its co-pilot.

Google's coming out with its chatbot.

Instead of being the fifth or tenth new chatbot, he decided to open source it.

Now, open source means that you're not going to be able to sell it.

So to use, most products were buying from Microsoft, Google, whatever, they're closed source.

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