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S8 Ep268: THE MOVE TO BEIJING AND XI ZHONGXUN'S 1962 PURGE Colleague Joseph Torigian. This segment explains that the book title comes from Mao's praise of Xi Zhongxun for prioritizing the party despite suffering. It traces the family's move to Beijing, the birth of

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🗓️ 2 January 2026

⏱️ 9 minutes

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THE MOVE TO BEIJING AND XI ZHONGXUN'S 1962 PURGE Colleague Joseph Torigian. This segment explains that the book title comes from Mao's praise of Xi Zhongxun for prioritizing the party despite suffering. It traces the family's move to Beijing, the birth of "favorite son" Xi Jinping, and the father's complex loyalty to Mao. Torigiandetails Xi Zhongxun's 1962 purge, which foreshadowed the Cultural Revolution; he was removed for supporting a novel about martyr Liu Zhidan, which Mao viewed as a challenge. NUMBER 12
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0:00.0

This is CBSI on the world. I'm sitting with Joseph Tarigian. I'm John Batchel. The book is the party

0:07.1

interest. The party's interest come first. That title is Mao's opinion of Xi Zhang Shun,

0:15.3

the father of Xi Jinping. And what did it mean, Joseph, the party's interest?

0:20.9

So, Mao Zedong had this habit of giving phrases to his favorite catteras that he thought

0:27.3

perfectly encapsulated their characteristics.

0:30.3

And it's interesting to think about why he decided to give that particular phrase to

0:34.6

Xi Zhongshun.

0:36.1

And I think one of the answers is that Xi Zhongshun suffered at the hands

0:41.2

of his own party on several occasions, but that Xi Zhongshun nevertheless remained entirely loyal.

0:48.3

And so the Chinese Communist Party is an organization where you are explicitly told that it's

0:54.0

the organization that comes first,

0:56.0

not your own personal opinions.

0:58.3

And Xi Jun Xun was a human.

1:00.2

He often had his own views, but when those differed from the party, he put the party's

1:05.1

interest first, just like Mao expected he would.

1:07.6

The success, the retreat of the nationalist to Taiwan, the enter into Beijing, the speeches,

1:15.3

including a speech by Xi Jinping, his father, Xi, John, Zhang Shun on radio. There's a photograph of it.

1:22.9

You can see he looks to be a very young man jammed into his communist revolutionary clothes.

1:30.3

And he moves his family from the northwest from Shanxi to Beijing, taking up important posts in the early Chinese Communist Party.

1:40.0

And what's important here is the second wife, Shin is with him, and there are two sons born in Beijing.

1:50.3

One we know very well, Xi Jinping, the general secretary of the Chinese Communist Party.

1:56.6

And the second son, whose name is very difficult for me to pronounce, I'm sure you'll do it for me, Joseph.

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