S8 Ep242: Professor Matthew Longo. Longo details the geopolitical backdrop of 1989, focusing on Hungarian Prime Minister Miklós Németh. He explains Németh's clash with Romania's Ceaușescu and a pivotal, secret meeting with Gorbachev, where Németh received tacit app
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John Batchelor
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🗓️ 25 December 2025
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| 0:00.0 | This is CBS Eye on the World with John Batchelor. Here's John Batchelor. |
| 0:12.4 | It is July 6, 1989, the last meeting of the Warsaw Pact. In the room are significant figures of the Soviet domination of |
| 0:25.1 | Central Europe, the Soviet ambition to take over Europe in the room. One man more important |
| 0:34.6 | than any other is Gorbachev. Gorbachev is now the head of the Soviet Union, |
| 0:40.8 | and he's also a man who's supervising the Warsaw Pact. |
| 0:45.8 | Warsaw Pact is made up of countries such as Romania, Yugoslavia, Poland, East Germany, Czechoslovakia, |
| 0:53.4 | and most importantly Hungary, because also inakia, and most importantly, Hungary. |
| 0:55.2 | Because also in that room is a man named Nemeth, a very young prime minister born 1948, |
| 1:02.4 | for what is also in the room the leaders of other countries in the Warsaw Pact. |
| 1:08.0 | A man named Tchrescu, the absolute dictator of Romania, is pounding the table |
| 1:13.7 | and yelling at Nemeth, yelling at him, accusing him of betraying the socialism of the Warsaw Pact, |
| 1:22.3 | accusing him of undermining the power that they possess to protect their people from the |
| 1:27.3 | predatory capitalists |
| 1:29.1 | across the Iron Curtain. |
| 1:31.5 | Telling this story is Matthew Longo, assistant professor of political science at Leiden |
| 1:37.2 | University. |
| 1:38.7 | The book is The Picnic, a dream of freedom and the collapse of the Iron Curtain. But we begin with the |
| 1:48.1 | villains in the room. Matthew, a congratulations. This is a brilliant telling of a story I had |
| 1:54.4 | no knowledge of. Who is Nemeth? Who is Chichescu to yell at him? And what does Nemeth make of Gorbachev at that moment? |
| 2:04.4 | Good evening to you. Good evening. Thank you. So to further on this stage setting, what Chow Chescu represents in a way as the old guard, |
| 2:15.5 | someone for whom the Warsaw Pact and the whole construct of the Soviet Empire was in a way as the old guard. Someone for whom the Warsaw Pact and the whole construct of the Soviet Empire was in a way a boon. |
| 2:22.6 | This is a person who had no desire for change, no desire to see anything about either liberalism or democracy creep in across the iron curtain. |
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