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S8 Ep206: Nury Turkel, FORMERLY Vice Chair of the US Commission on International Religious Freedom, discusses his book No Escape. He details the sadistic rule of Chinese official Zhu Hailun and the persecution of scholar Abduvali Ayup, illustrating the terror and b

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John Batchelor

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4.52.8K Ratings

🗓️ 18 December 2025

⏱️ 11 minutes

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Summary

Nury Turkel, FORMERLY Vice Chair of the US Commission on International Religious Freedom, discusses his book No Escape. He details the sadistic rule of Chinese official Zhu Hailun and the persecution of scholar Abduvali Ayup, illustrating the terror and brutality used to erase Uyghur culture and language.
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0:00.0

This is CBS Eye on the World.

0:08.7

Here's John Batchelor.

0:11.4

The Uyghurs of East Turkestan, a people brutalized these last decades by the People's Republic of China.

0:20.9

And part of the story is that brutality China. And part of the story is that brutality.

0:23.5

The other part of the story is why it took so long for this fact to be established in the United

0:30.2

States, in Europe, and around the world.

0:32.9

I welcome a man who has been a great aid in getting the news out.

0:38.4

He is a Uyghur.

0:39.6

He was born in East Turkestan, aka Xinjiang.

0:44.0

His name is Nuri Turkle.

0:45.9

The new book is No Escape, the true story of China's genocide of the U.S.

0:53.2

Institute.

0:53.7

He's also vice chair of the U.S. Commission on International Religious Freedom.

0:58.3

Nouri, congratulations and good evening.

1:00.8

I begin with the story that you tell of Abduvali Ayyip.

1:05.0

In 1998, a young scholarly man reading and writing in two languages, Mandarin, the Chinese language,

1:14.5

and the also speaking the Uyghur language.

1:18.7

And that gives him an advantage, and he's hired in Xinjiang in the large city by Zhu Hailan.

1:28.1

Who is Jujai Lahn and what does Abdu Vali make of him in those days of late 20th century?

1:34.7

Good evening to you.

1:35.9

Good evening to you, John.

1:36.9

If I may, I'd like to thank you and your team for giving me a platform in the last decade or so.

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