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S8 Ep200: Judy Dempsey examines fears that Russia will shift military forces to the NATO border if a Ukraine peace deal is reached. She discusses reported US pressure on Kyiv to surrender the Donbas, noting that both Ukraine and the EU oppose such concessions due t

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John Batchelor

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🗓️ 17 December 2025

⏱️ 11 minutes

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Judy Dempsey examines fears that Russia will shift military forces to the NATO border if a Ukraine peace deal is reached. She discusses reported US pressure on Kyiv to surrender the Donbas, noting that both Ukraine and the EUoppose such concessions due to sovereignty concerns and lack of security guarantees.
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0:00.0

This is CBS, I on the World.

0:08.5

I'm John Batchelor, to Europe, and the challenge of the Ukraine contest,

0:13.2

at the same time dealing with the European Union's ambitions for 2026 for all of its members,

0:20.2

but especially the engines, the big three, Berlin,

0:23.8

Paris, and London, London being asterisk member of the EU. We begin, however, with the headlines

0:30.8

on Ukraine. This is the Financial Times, the peer equal to Wall Street Journal, and yet it has no dog in the fight,

0:40.6

which is why I depend upon when it comes to American politics,

0:44.1

which are everywhere in this headline.

0:46.5

Russia will shift forces to NATO border if Ukraine deal struck Finland warns.

0:53.9

The subhead to explain Finnish Prime Minister,

0:56.8

you will recall Finland is a new member of NATO,

0:59.6

calls for more money for frontline states

1:02.5

ahead of the first summit of countries bordering Russia.

1:06.9

Judy Dempsey of the Carnegie Endowment for International Peace

1:09.8

joins me from Berlin.

1:11.1

She's a senior scholar.

1:13.0

The need here is to interpret a headline that sounds extremely auspicious of bad days ahead.

1:20.8

It's impossible to tell from this distance because we have the filter of Washington.

1:25.6

And you will recall the general understanding is that all American foreign policy

1:29.5

is an expression of domestic policy.

1:32.5

That is, our president's think first of the vote before they think of their commitment to their allies.

1:39.2

Judy, a very good day to you.

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