S8 Ep189: PREVIEW — Chris Riegel — "The Great Heist": China's Intellectual Property Theft Strategy. Riegel argues that China has systematically employed intellectual property theft as a strategic mechanism to advance from technological desperation toward status as

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PREVIEW — Chris Riegel — "The Great Heist": China's Intellectual Property Theft Strategy. Riegel argues that Chinahas systematically employed intellectual property theft as a strategic mechanism to advance from technological desperation toward status as a near-peer American rival, systematically acquiring technologies while circumventing legitimate licensing and development pathways. Riegel documents that American corporations frequently ignored or tolerated Chinese IP theft in exchange for access to the lucrative Chinese domestic market, including the Cisco-Huaweicase illustrating corporate preference for market access over intellectual property protection. Riegel acknowledges that China now conducts original research and technological innovation, yet systematically rejects international intellectual property law regimes and refuses to recognize or enforce IP rights, maintaining institutional resistance to the legal frameworks protecting legitimate innovation and development within Western economies.
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0:00.0	This is John Batchel, a conversation with colleague Chris Regal of Scholar.com about a new book, The Great Heist, by two gentlemen who are veterans of the Defense Intelligence Agency, making the case that China vowsafes the government of China, the Communist Party of China, vouchsafes theft in order to advance the Chinese cause.
0:25.1	That is how they've gone from a backward nation of desperation in the late 20th century
0:30.9	to something near peer of the U.S. challenging the world.
0:37.2	Theft.
0:38.6	Here, Chris describes where and how and when and what comes out of it and what is ongoing.
0:48.7	There's much more to this story.
0:50.5	Is Chris Regal of Scholar.com.
0:53.2	Good evening, John.
0:54.3	For the last four decades, effectively, the idea was always U.S. companies needed to look the other way on the theft of intellectual property in order to gain access to the Chinese markets.
1:08.0	If you weren't willing to play ball, you would be boxed out.
1:11.2	The most notable example of that was the 2003 lawsuit of Cisco versus Huawei, where Huawei
1:18.2	was alleged to have wholesale taken Cisco's iOS software code. So it's kind of been a bit of a deal
1:26.0	with the devil in that footprint of U.S.
1:28.5	companies agreeing to, or at least not hard pursuing the theft of intellectual property.
1:34.3	The thing that you want to consider is especially in the last 10 years, China has gone from a
1:40.4	purely theft-based IP marketplace or duplication marketplace to one that's now doing original research and some world-class research development, etc.
1:51.4	But you still have that rejection of intellectual property rights and laws.
1:56.3	And yes, the Chinese will take anything if they feel to be to their strategic advantage.

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