S8 Ep186: HEADLINE: Post-War Guilt and the Legacy of Stimson, Spaatz, and Togo GUEST AUTHOR: Evan Thomas SUMMARY: After the war, Henry Stimson and General Spaatz were haunted by guilt, fearing science had outpaced human morality. Foreign Minister Togo died in priso
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🗓️ 13 December 2025
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| 0:35.6 | This is CBSI and the World. |
| 0:37.3 | I'm John Batson with the author. The Distinguished author, Evan Thomas. |
| 0:40.5 | His new book is Road to Surrender, Three Men in the Countdown to the End of World War II. |
| 0:45.1 | The three men we focused on Henry Stimson, Secretary of War, who resigns on his 78th birthday, good for Henry, September of 1945. |
| 0:57.2 | A foreign minister to Togo, who is sentenced to 20 years in prison, not hanged, sentenced to 20 years in prison, and then Tuist Spots, Carl Spotsk, |
| 1:05.1 | who becomes briefly chief of staff of the Air Force. We'll begin with Henry Stimson. |
| 1:10.4 | It is your measure that Stimson, who opposed mass murder, did not believe in precision bombing, |
| 1:18.2 | had great regrets about supervising a machine that turned out the two atomic weapons, |
| 1:24.9 | came to change his mind, at least about the Soviets, if not about the Japanese. |
| 1:30.0 | Is that correct, Evan? |
| 1:31.4 | Yes, he went back and forth on the Soviets. |
| 1:33.5 | He wanted to trust them there. |
| 1:35.0 | When he first gets out, when he first retires, he goes to Truman and says we need to trust them to share the weapon. |
| 1:41.1 | About a year later, he, as the Cold War is now building up and Stalin is just impossible |
| 1:47.0 | and gobbling up Eastern Europe, Simpson, ruefully, regretfully, says you can't trust the Russians. |
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