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S8 Ep180: Syria's Fragmentation and the Regional Arms Race: Colleague Jonathan Schanzer describes Syria as a chaotic mix of armed factions, including Al-Qaeda-led pragmatists and Iranian proxies, held together only by regime brutality, mentioning potential U.S. pla

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🗓️ 10 December 2025

⏱️ 10 minutes

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Syria's Fragmentation and the Regional Arms Race: Colleague Jonathan Schanzer describes Syria as a chaotic mix of armed factions, including Al-Qaeda-led pragmatists and Iranian proxies, held together only by regime brutality, mentioning potential U.S. plans for a base to deter bad actors and highlighting rapid military expansions by Turkey and Egypt amid regional instability.
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0:00.0

I'm John Batcher speaking with my colleague Jonathan Shanzer, the executive director of the Foundation for the Defense of Democracies.

0:12.0

And I spend the week in conversation with Jonathan's troops of the FD, the think tank.

0:18.9

And they give me lots of information that I then get to convey to

0:22.5

Jonathan as if I knew it all the time. Well, I didn't because Syria is turning into a game of knaves.

0:31.9

Al-Sharahara is a former, I'm told to say this, former Al-Qaeda member who is now the

0:37.1

self-named president of Syria. However, what he seems to say this, former al-Qaeda member who is now the self-named president of Syria.

0:39.4

However, what he seems to be president of is a confederation of the cutthroats of the whole region.

0:46.8

We have Islamic jihad in the neighborhood of Damascus.

0:52.0

We have Hamas wandering around.

0:54.2

We have worse wandering around near the southern border where the Israelis have parked.

0:58.6

At the same time, we have the Druze forming a national militia to guard the Sueda province,

1:06.2

which was the scene of a massacre several weeks past, a massacre that appeared to be vouchsafed by Alshara, unclear.

1:14.7

The Alawites are on the coast, they're well-armed,

1:17.3

and then, of course, our allies in the northeast of the country, the Kurds.

1:24.0

Jonathan, what I'm describing is a checkerboard of well-armed people.

1:29.7

And this was said to be something that the U.S. and Saudi Arabia favor once upon a time.

1:36.2

They can't still favor all these gangs together.

1:39.7

They don't, but they're still trying to save Syria from itself.

1:43.5

And so we're watching the United

1:44.7

States. We've already removed sanctions against this regime, despite the fact that it is

1:50.0

led by al-Qaeda or reformed al-Qaeda, depending on your perspective. And I think it was probably

1:58.0

too soon to do this, but the administration would like to try to empower pragmatists.

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