S8 Ep176: Ukraine-Russia Conflict and the Transformation of Warfare: Colleague Anatol Lieven discusses the Ukraine-Russia conflict, noting that drone warfare has fundamentally changed battle tactics, analyzing Trump's influence on peace negotiations and suggesting
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John Batchelor
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🗓️ 12 December 2025
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| 0:00.0 | This is CBS Eye on the World. Here's John Batchelor. |
| 0:10.4 | I welcome my colleague Anatole Levin of the Quincy Institute for Responsible Statecraft, |
| 0:15.5 | the director of the Eurasia Project, looking at the headlines on the Ukraine-Russia conflict. |
| 0:22.2 | Much in the news about negotiations. |
| 0:24.4 | What about the battlefront? |
| 0:26.0 | We have this from Reuters in these last hours. |
| 0:29.2 | Pekrofts fall will not cause frontline collapse, but weakens Ukraine in Trump's eyes. |
| 0:36.0 | That is a story. |
| 0:37.1 | It requires a little translation. |
| 0:39.1 | Pukovsk is a city that is now a ruin, and it's been under siege by the Russians for |
| 0:45.2 | perhaps a year. And the frustration of the Russians to resolve this has to do with the changing |
| 0:51.4 | tactics on the battlefield. I'm told by people follow the battlefield closely that you no longer can count on human waves |
| 1:00.9 | or something like World War I, where people come out of their trenches and go over the top. |
| 1:06.9 | Instead, the fighting, the combat, the risk is done by teams of three or five soldiers. |
| 1:13.7 | Sometimes as few as one, wandering through these ruins of Pekrofts and the fields around. |
| 1:20.1 | Sometimes the Ukrainian and Russian forces wind up in the same tree line at different places in it and can't see each other. |
| 1:29.2 | Their eyes are always on the sky because the drones are the threat. In Pekrofts, you can be in one part of a building and the Russians |
| 1:35.2 | in another part of the building and not know it because you're searching with your drones. |
| 1:40.1 | The drone operators need to be within radio distance of the front line. |
| 1:46.9 | They become now the number one target for both sides, not the soldiers with the rifles, |
| 1:52.7 | but the men with the drone directions that can bring down surveillance or deaths on you. |
| 1:59.6 | That's per cross for a year. It describes a battlefield that's not |
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