I'm John Batchel with my good colleague, Anatole-Leban, the Quincy Institute of Responsible Statecraft.

The General Secretary of the NATO Transnational Organization, Defense Organization, says that NATO itself is the next target for Russia.

It's in the news right now.

He said this before, so that's not

where the story goes. The story goes to revelations to me in Bloomberg of the Baltic state,

Estonia, Latvia, Lithuania, building a defense-in-depth 30-mile corridor from Narva on the Gulf of Finland to the

Sevalchi gap in Poland and meaning to man that with the whole population of draft age, men and

women, underground caverns, tunnels, under the forest in that land, deep, deep hiding and then popping

up when the Russians come. They're building it now. It's costing them a lot of money.

Everybody's either volunteering or being drafted. They're urged to have 72-hour kits at the,

at the ready at the door. That means food and

band-aids from what you need to survive for three days. There are no plans to evacuate the population

in the event of Russia attacking. Now, that's the paranoid version. However, it's real for them.

And then are told, are the Baltics justified in taking it to this extreme to be prepared for the end of the world? It reminds me of the mania in 1960 in the United States to build underground shelters in individual families for the Russian atomic attack that never came.

Is that what we're looking at in the Baltics?

Why are they so spooked?

Well, they're spooked, of course, because of their history.

And because of what happened to Ukraine.

But I myself do not think that this is actually necessary.

I mean, okay, you know, no harm in deterring the Russians.

But the fact of the matter is that, you know, Putin has stated,

and the government has stated again and again,

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