S8 Ep176: The "Variable Geometry" of the Muslim Brotherhood and Its Global Affiliates: Colleagues Edmund Fitton-Brown and Bill Roggio explain that the Muslim Brotherhood operates as a "mothership" for various Islamist movements, utilizing a strategy of "variable ge

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🗓️ 9 December 2025

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The "Variable Geometry" of the Muslim Brotherhood and Its Global Affiliates: Colleagues Edmund Fitton-Brown and Bill Roggio explain that the Muslim Brotherhood operates as a "mothership" for various Islamist movements, utilizing a strategy of "variable geometry" to adapt to local political environments while aiming for a global caliphate; Hamas functions as the Palestinian branch of the Brotherhood and despite being severely damaged by the war with Israel remains the dominant force in Gaza, with the Brotherhood finding state sponsorship primarily in Qatar, which provides funding and media support via Al Jazeera, and Turkey, where President Erdogan acts as a leader for the organization.
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0:00.0	This is CBSI on the world. I'm John Batcher, Bill Rajio, my colleague and co-host, and we're very
0:10.0	pleased to welcome Foundation for Defense of Democracy fellow Edmund Fitton Brown, former ambassador
0:16.4	from the UK to Yemen to Yemen, a long-experienced traveler in this troubled part of the world,
0:22.5	and most recently helping me to understand the Muslim Brothers here in 2025, 26.
0:30.2	Edmund, a very good evening to you. The Muslim Brothers, they are the parent organization,
0:34.7	according to the organizational chart, of Hamas. Right now, Hamas is
0:39.8	struggling to regain its mastery of the Gaza Strip, what remains of it in its hands, about less
0:47.4	than half, fighting gun battles with other clans and with other organizations that don't mean
0:53.5	to share. They're pushing back.
0:56.2	And Muslim brothers look to be very distant to this violence, despite the fact that they
1:03.0	claim to be Hamas's, they claim approval of Hamas. They're in Istanbul, they're in Ankara,
1:10.9	they're traveling in Europe.
1:12.9	They're underground.
1:14.3	But are they in Gaza?
1:16.3	Are they participating in some fashion, money or weapons or orders with Hamas's struggles?
1:23.9	Good evening to you, Edmund.
1:25.6	Good evening, John.
1:26.7	It's good to be with you. Well, I mean,
1:29.5	this is a, it's a complicated picture. I think we've used the term before, a sort of variable
1:35.5	geometry with the Muslim Brotherhood. So it manifests in different ways in different places. And that is
1:41.5	part of its strategy. Its grand strategy is to drive towards a global
1:45.8	caliphate, but to do it according to what each market will bear. And that means that when it is
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