S8 Ep157: State Department Strategy and Moscow — Mary Kissel — Kissel explains that State Department strategic objectives prioritize implementing President Trump's directive to remove Maduro from Venezuelan power while ensuring American national security and hemisp
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🗓️ 2 December 2025
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- State Department Strategy and Moscow — Mary Kissel — Kissel explains that State Department strategic objectives prioritize implementing President Trump's directive to remove Maduro from Venezuelan power while ensuring American national security and hemispheric stability. Kissel details that Trump envoys currently in Moscow encounter Putin's two-track negotiating strategy: offering economic incentives for Russian reintegration into global markets while simultaneously demanding substantial Ukrainian territorial concessions and NATO exclusion from Eastern Europe. Kissel emphasizes the strategic complexity of reconciling U.S. interests in Ukrainian sovereignty with Russian security demands regarding sphere of influence and buffer state arrangements.
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| 0:00.0 | This is CBS. I on the world. I'm John Batchel. I welcome my good colleague, Mary Kissel, |
| 0:11.5 | Executive Vice President Stevens, Inc. Long, the assistant to the senior assistant to the |
| 0:18.9 | Secretary of State traveling in the trumpet first term. |
| 0:23.6 | And before that, many years in Asia, with the Wall Street Journal editorial page, |
| 0:28.2 | traveling the rise of the miracle of China. |
| 0:33.0 | We begin, however, with the State Department's attention to none of the above, |
| 0:37.3 | Venezuela, |
| 0:38.3 | much in the news these last days, including a phone call, we're told, without a readout |
| 0:44.0 | of the President of the United States to the illegitimate dictator of Venezuela, a man by the |
| 0:50.5 | name Maduro, who inherited his brutality from a man named Chavez, who died of cancer |
| 0:57.8 | very early in life. Maduro has maintained his authority with thuggery, theft, and the help of |
| 1:06.4 | outsiders such as Moscow and Beijing. He also has Cuba to thank because I'm told over the years Cuban |
| 1:14.2 | state security was a big part of his enforcement, so much so that 7 to 9 million |
| 1:19.2 | Venezuelans have fled the country to Brazil, to Colombia, some to the United States. |
| 1:25.6 | I know all this because I routinely every week interview one of the |
| 1:30.0 | opposition figures who was jailed in the first mass arrest by Maduro after the stolen election |
| 1:36.1 | of 2024. There was a momentary amnesty and my colleague, Alejandro Pina Esclusa, bugged out smartly and is in Europe. |
| 1:48.2 | However, there is good news, and the good news includes that in these next days, |
| 1:54.6 | Maria Karina Machado, the leader of the opposition, will receive the Nobel Peace Prize in Oslo, Norway. And I think all of |
| 2:03.7 | Venezuela that's not tied down will be there. It will be quite a celebration. However, none of the |
| 2:09.1 | above is the immediate concern I need attended to by Mary. It's how State Department approaches |
| 2:15.6 | a matter where there's a fleet gathered off the coast of Venezuela, |
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