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S8 Ep151: PREVIEW — Bill Roggio — The Threat of "Blue on Green" Attacks. Roggio addresses "blue on green" attacks, wherein Afghan security personnel, including national army and police units, attacked American and NATO forces throughout Afghanistan. The Taliban fre

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🗓️ 1 December 2025

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PREVIEWBill Roggio — The Threat of "Blue on Green" Attacks. Roggio addresses "blue on green" attacks, wherein Afghan security personnel, including national army and police units, attacked American and NATO forces throughout Afghanistan. The Taliban frequently orchestrated these insider attacks, which peaked dramatically between 2009 and 2013. This threat remains tragically relevant following a recent attack in the District of Columbia allegedly perpetrated by an Afghan veteran, reportedly a former special forces member previously attached to the CIA.
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This is John Batchel. Blue on Green. That was the category used in Afghanistan to describe attacks by Afghan

0:09.9

nationals. Members of the Army, member of the police force, on American forces, something that grew and grew

0:16.8

into a real threat, as Bill recounts here, toward the end of the 20 tragic years in Afghanistan.

0:24.6

In the most general sense, the tragedy in the District of Columbia these last days was an attack by a veteran blue,

0:33.8

that would be Afghan National Army, on green, two members of the National Guard of the United States.

0:42.4

Blue on green, something that has never actually gone away from concern for the U.S. military.

0:50.8

And here it is again.

0:52.7

Apparently out of nowhere, the allegation is that the shooter was not only a member of the

1:01.0

Afghan National Army, but in special forces, not only in special forces, but in some fashion

1:06.5

attached to the American CIA.

1:09.6

All very mysterious, much to learn but blue on green,

1:13.4

his bill to describe much more of this tonight.

1:17.3

Hello, John, good evening.

1:19.0

Yes, so blue and green attacks, this is something that were quite prevalent in Afghanistan,

1:24.2

particularly during leading up to the U.S. surge in Afghanistan from 2009 to

1:31.7

2013. These are attacks where Afghan security personnel, be it the National Army or police

1:39.9

or other security personnel, would attack American and NATO forces.

1:46.2

And these were significant in Afghanistan.

1:49.4

The Taliban was often driving these.

1:52.6

They were attempting to get security personnel to turn on their American allies,

1:58.2

and they were quite successful.

1:59.9

We documented these at the Long War Journal at the time and these attacks were spiking.

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