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This is a high risk investment and you should not expect to be protected if something goes wrong. I'm John Batchler. I welcome my colleague John Hardy of the Foundation for the Defense of Democracies.

The remains of the most recent NATO meeting in Ankara, Turkey,

striking. Headline in New York Times in these last days. President Trump says he will grant Zelensky

a key request, the license to make Patriot systems. Subhead, President Zelensky of Ukraine said before a NATO summit this week that he wanted

Patriot missiles and the related defense systems to counter Russian ballistic missiles. But questions

remained about President Trump's pledge. John, a very good evening to you. The Patriot is a very

sophisticated air defense system that works well, but it's expensive.

So by the assertion by the president that he will transfer it to Ukraine means that he gives them

the IP, he gives them the secrets, he sends people to help them produce it, or they can do it

all by themselves. Good evening to you, John.

Hey, John. Thanks for having me back on the show. Yeah, just for background for your listeners,

the Patriot is Ukraine's really only reliable means of defense against ballistic missiles.

Ukraine usually does very well shooting down cruise missiles and

one-way attack drones that Russia launches en masse into Ukraine. But with ballistics, Ukraine has

really been struggling. And that's precisely because it lacks enough Patriot systems and

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