S8 Ep1103: Mary Kissel. NATO's New Vigor and the European Defense Dilemma. Mary Kissel discusses NATO's renewed urgency following Russian aggression in Ukraine. While front-line nations like Poland exceed spending targets, many Europeans have historically relied on
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🗓️ 8 July 2026
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Mary Kissel. NATO's New Vigor and the European Defense Dilemma. Mary Kissel discusses NATO's renewed urgency following Russian aggression in Ukraine. While front-line nations like Poland exceed spending targets, many Europeans have historically relied on the U.S. defense umbrella to fund social welfare states. She warns that Putincontinues to test NATO's unity at the margins. (5)
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| 0:25.6 | This is a high risk investment and you should not expect to be protected if something goes wrong. I'm John Batchler. NATO, 26, meeting an anchor at the capital of Turkey. |
| 0:52.4 | I welcome Mary Kessel, former senior advisor to the Secretary of State, |
| 0:56.7 | Mr. Pompeo, member of the Hudson Institute, to comment on NATO gathering in Turkey to discuss, |
| 1:04.3 | well, they've got problems not only in their part of the hemisphere, but in the western part of the hemisphere as well. Troubles in the |
| 1:14.7 | Pacific, troubles in the Gulf of the Straits of Hormuz, certainly trouble in the Buccah Valley, |
| 1:21.3 | and trouble in Ukraine along the rivers of Russia and the frontier of NATO. Trouble in all |
| 1:27.4 | directions. |
| 1:28.0 | So what does NATO do? |
| 1:29.6 | It offers money, and that's a good start. |
| 1:31.9 | Mary, a very good evening to you. |
| 1:33.9 | The last years, it's been revealed that the NATO countries have not been pulling their weight in the Cold War and afterwards. |
| 1:42.7 | And now there are announcements that they're going to do catch-up. |
| 1:46.9 | Is it adequate, Mary? Do we need an explanation for them why they let it go so long? Good evening to you. |
| 1:53.5 | Good evening to you, John. It's always great to be with you. NATO is a very important institution, |
| 2:00.2 | and I just want to start there because I think there's been a lot of question marks about whether or not this is an organization that the United States should fund or operationally support. |
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