And I think the technology was just a little too early when we did pitch it internally, and we just did not get much interest and uptake.

And to his credit, Brennan Burns, who's my boss, was very encouraging to me.

He encouraged me to think about other ways to pursue this level of passion.

And I got to talking to a few VC friends, and as soon as I said, WebAssembly and next generation of cloud computing,

I realized that we were on to something bigger than I had thought and that people were

actively looking into that space. You can probably imagine the awkward after work hours

kind of thing where I'm like, hey, team, you know that idea we had about WebAssembly? Let's go start a

company. I'm Matt Butcher, the, you know that idea we had about WebAssembly? Let's go start a company.

I'm Matt Butcher, the CEO and co-founder of Fermion.

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Matt Butcher was always intending to be a philosopher in the early days.

His dad informed him at some point he would need to get a job, though.

After he interviewed at a local utility company, he was thrust into learning the worldwide web. He continued programming his way

through college, getting his PhD in philosophy, but eventually moved solely into tech. He has

contributed to multiple open source projects and was one of the original creators of Helm.

Outside of tech, he's a coffee snob with more coffee tooling in his kitchen than plates or silverware.

Matt and his team started to explore the things they couldn't do with their current tooling

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