Tomorrow is 36 years since Jacob died.

April 10th.

April 10th.

So he would have been 36, almost 37 years old.

It makes me think about what his life might be like.

Had he lived?

You know, would I be an uncle?

I think that's the part that hurts the most, you know, is thinking about what could have been.

Okay. Tapes from the dark, dark side, contains descriptions of violence and sexuality. Oh, darkness, my friend. Listener discretion is advised

Listener discretion is advised This episode is the last bit of audio I have for you in the Jacob Jeremiah Lundeen case,

but I like to think I've saved the best for last.

It's my full unedited interview with Eric Carter

Lundeene, the older brother of Jacob, as you know if you've heard this season. If you haven't,

I'd recommend go back and listen to the full season and listen to the interview that he did with

his mother that's also on our feed. You may have already heard a little bits and pieces of this interview in the episode,

and that's because I actually interviewed Eric before the full season was out.

This is when I called up Eric and had some very important questions I needed to ask him.

Eric has become one of my dear podcasting friends, and I would really appreciate

it if you go subscribe to his show. It's called True Consequences, and it's one of the absolute

best victim-focused true crime pods out there. In fact, it doesn't even need a qualifier. It's one of

the best true crime pods out there. So go subscribe

to true consequences today. And without further ado, here is the full conversation that I had with

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