Hi, I'm Molly Wancel.

And I'm Geoffrey Wonsle.

And for the last 16 years or thereabouts, we've been having lunch every Saturday,

and often our conversation turns to murder.

Which is what prompted us to start this true crime podcast called Blood Ties.

Hi, everyone. Welcome back to the Blood Ties podcast. I'm Molly Wansel, and I'm here with my father, Geoffrey Wansel.

Hello again, everyone. Thank you for listening. We're continuing the story of the Moore's

murderers this week. But before we do that, I'm on another busman's holiday. I get to talk about

death and destruction in a regular basis this week. More television, more

world's most evil killers. You can barely turn on witness or pick without finding me.

Jeffrey, you're everywhere. I mean, free view basically, is you? It's extraordinary. More and more and

more and more about death.

People often ask me, and I think it is actually an interesting question I sometimes ask myself,

does it affect you?

Well, I don't think it has.

I think it changes you, but I don't think it turns you mad.

I mean, beware of that great Nietzsche quote, isn't they?

Those who stand near monsters have to watch out, they don't become a monster themselves.

And it is obviously a thought, but I think you have to be of that cast of mind, you know, that, you know, I don't think that the fact that you read Mime Kampf means that you're going to be Hitler.

I don't think the fact that you read crime and punishment means you're going to become Raskolnikov.

No, that's true.

Yeah, I don't know.

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