Hi, I'm Molly Wansall.

And I'm Geoffrey Wonsle.

And for the last 16 years or thereabouts, we've been having lunch every Saturday,

and often our conversation turns to murder.

Which is what prompted us to start this true crime podcast called Blood Ties.

Hi everyone, welcome back to the Blood Ties podcast. I'm Molly Wansel, and I'm here with my father, Geoffrey Wansall.

Hello, everyone. Thank you again for listening. This is a particularly interesting two

episodes we're going to talk about. Yeah, we're doing a double bill. We're doing two episodes

on the Moors murderers. A name everybody recognizes, but curiously, a whole generation don't really know who they were.

I mean, Hindley died in 2002.

I know their faces and their names, but I don't know the stories that well.

That's the point. I tried just randomly talking to a few people, even those in their 40s and 50s.

And only one or two could actually pin down what the crimes were and why they were so horrendous.

And I think it's worth telling the story again for a new generation.

Great. Well, that's what we're aiming to do today.

That's what we're here for. Anything exciting this week, I haven't been, I went to the Terrence Rattigan annual dinner. That was fun. Nice.

Very nice. I was away this week. Well, I was meant to be away on a National Trust road trip with mum.

But it rained so much, we gave up and came home.

Yes, it's very difficult to do National Trust Gardens in the pouring.

Well, there's no point going around a garden in the rain, is there?

Not really.

We went to one house and we had sort of walk up a very long drive in our max and it was all

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