Hi, I'm Molly Wansall.

And I'm Geoffrey Wonsall.

And for the last 16 years or thereabouts, we've been having lunch every Saturday, and often our conversation turns to murder.

Which is what prompted us to start this true crime podcast called Blood Ties.

Hi, everyone. Welcome back to the Blood Ties podcast. I'm Molly Wantsall and I'm here with my father, Jeffrey Wansall.

Hello everyone. Thank you again for listening. Hope you enjoy the podcasts. Hope they don't give you nightmares.

Yeah, no. I mean, I do know some people who won't listen to us because they think the subject matter's too dark.

I have every... I mean, fair enough.

I have every sympathy. One of the things about doing what I do and have done over these last years

is that you have to be able to compartmentalise it because it is sometimes very, very difficult to live with.

And one of the questions I get asked at live gigs is, does it give you nightmares?

And the answer is, touch would, no.

But I would also say, and my old friend Brian Masters and the late Gordon Byrne, we often used to talk about it,

there are certain images and certain things that never leave your head.

You simply can't get rid of them they are there and uh but that point about don't listen to it at night i i would recommend listening to this podcast probably not just before you go to bed on the the tube. I mean, on your commute. Yes.

And that particularly applies to the man we're going to talk about today.

Great.

Okay, we're just going to dive right in.

Yes.

Today we are doing, oh, also just to warn you, we're recording again and they're still banging.

So we apologize for the banging. Yeah.

But there you go.

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