S4 E 23 - The Difference Between Rumination and Excavation
The Cure for Chronic Pain with Nicole Sachs, LCSW
Nicole Sachs, LCSW
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🗓️ 13 June 2025
⏱️ 23 minutes
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Lisa and I found ourselves talking about a frequently asked question in our communities: Won’t thinking about my dark stuff make me worse? This is a typical fear of many people endeavoring TMS work. I have such empathy for the perceived quandary - it makes sense that paying attention to seemingly negative content might make it grow. Yet, we both know this is the opposite of truth. Then Lisa suggested a juxtaposition: let’s consider the difference between rumination and excavation. Whereas rumination is automatic and unproductive, excavation is intentional and leads to healing. I took the challenge of explaining it through the lens of JournalSpeak, and here we are! I think this episode will enable you to challenge your resistance and open yourself to the incredible transformation that JournalSpeak offers. Lots of love from both of us! XO, N+L
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| 0:00.0 | Welcome to the Cure for Chronic Pain podcast with me, Nicole Sacks. |
| 0:07.5 | You are here. |
| 0:13.2 | Hello, my friends. |
| 0:14.9 | How is everyone doing today? |
| 0:16.9 | This is Nicole and you have reached my podcast. |
| 0:19.6 | The Cure for Chronic Pain. |
| 0:20.8 | Welcome to it. |
| 0:23.3 | Okay, so we find ourselves in mid-June. |
| 0:29.6 | We are just about a week away from our yearly Omega Institute in-person retreat in |
| 0:37.4 | Reinbeck, New York, June 22nd through |
| 0:39.3 | the 27th. All of the final preparations are underway. If you are already planning to be there, |
| 0:46.0 | Lisa and I cannot wait to see you. We have such a great team coming to lead this. So if you are |
| 0:53.4 | a last minute, Lucy, and you are looking to come, |
| 0:55.7 | there's still a week left. Go over to eomega.org and search my name or go to nicolesax.com |
| 1:02.9 | and click on the retreats tab. Another reminder about Omega that if you are a member of our |
| 1:09.7 | Heel with Nicole level of membership that we |
| 1:12.7 | do every month, virtually we meet together on Zoom, I answer questions, all the things. |
| 1:19.0 | We do a special meetup, a special private time together at Omega. So you also have a week to |
| 1:24.5 | sign up to be in Heal with Nicole if you want to join us for that at |
| 1:28.2 | Omega as well. |
| 1:29.9 | All right. |
| 1:30.5 | So the topic today is one that came from a really interesting discussion I had with Lisa |
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