S4 E 22 - The Role of Community in the "Messy Middle" with Lisa and Jamie

The Cure for Chronic Pain with Nicole Sachs, LCSW

Nicole Sachs, LCSW

Alternative Health, Spirituality, Religion & Spirituality, Health & Fitness

4.9 • 2.8K Ratings

🗓️ 6 June 2025

⏱️ 57 minutes

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Summary

A lot of people in our communities talk about the difficulty of the “messy middle” - when you are no longer asleep and unaware that your symptoms are TMS, you are doing the work and carrying on, but you’re also challenged daily by the feeling that this is a lot to handle. Jamie, an OMEGA alum, has also been a member of our Heal With Nicole community, and honors the role of connection and friendship in navigating this messy middle place. Lisa and I treasure this experience as well. It reveals the importance of connectedness and the strength of the human spirit. She joins us today alongside Jamie to discuss our shared experiences in both our virtual and in-person OMEGA communities, and the ways in which our pain becomes an entry point to finding “our people” - being able to love and connect in new and deepening ways. Join us for a conversation that reveals the messy middle as, in a sense, all of life. When we embrace it as such, we have to power to transform both our physical and emotional health. Xoxo N & L COME TO OMEGA Producer: Lisa Eisenpresser Click here to learn about all the tiers of BreakAwake membership and the ways to get so much help, guidance, and support: https://www.yourbreakawake.com/membership Contact Alex here: healwithalexmcqueen@gmail.com Want to read MIND YOUR BODY? Click here. Are you an immediate gratification person like me?? DOWNLOAD THE AUDIBLE HERE! And.... The Kindle version! I am so overjoyed to see what this book will do. Want to be with us in person and spend a week changing your life? (I mean it.) COME TO OMEGA JUNE 22-27, 2025! CLICK HERE. If you are a practitioner looking to specialize in this work or bring it to your community, get the first module of the Sarno x Sachs Solution for free! Click here: www.sarnosachs.com ALL OUR RESOURCES:Instagram: Follow me on insta @nicolesachslcsw for tons of new contentWebsite: www.yourbreakawake.comYouTube: The Cure for Chronic Pain with Nicole Sachs, LCSWFirst Book: The Meaning of TruthFB Closed Group: Nicole Sachs' Support CircleOMEGA General info: OMEGA INSTITUTESubscribe Apple Podcasts Deezer iHeart RadioPublic RSS Spotify Learn more about your ad choices. Visit podcastchoices.com/adchoices

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0:00.0	Welcome to the Cure for Chronic Pain podcast with me, Nicole Sacks.
0:07.0	You are here.
0:12.0	Hello, my friends. How is everybody today? This is Nicole.
0:17.0	And you've reached my podcast, The Cure for Chronic Pain. Welcome to it. So happy to be here
0:22.9	with you guys today. We are rolling into the summer. I don't know about you guys, but the kids are
0:30.7	finishing up with school and there are graduations and there are celebrations, especially
0:35.3	in our family because Lisa's's daughter, Kate, who is
0:40.1	basically my daughter, too. We always joke. Somehow I must have given birth to her with our similarities.
0:46.8	She is graduating high school. God, it's such like an insanely poignant moment that I know so many
0:54.1	of you guys understand. And of course, then I will be
0:58.0	looking into the next year of Charlotte's last year living in my house. So much big emotion.
1:06.0	And this is why it's so good to have our journal speak because anything that goes on in the moment today, I promise you, has roots and has ties and has vestiges in places that can be tender.
1:23.6	Not necessarily bad or painful, but tender. And when you are able to embrace the wholeness of it
1:31.0	and really see it from every angle and interrogate it and investigate it with compassion and excavate it,
1:41.3	you really are able to keep it from being expressed through your body. So Lisa and I are
1:48.3	certainly doing a lot of that lately. And we're also in pretty serious final prep for Omega.
1:58.1	And one of our Omega alums, also an alum of our membership community, the Heel with Nicole community, is Jamie. And Jamie reached out to us recently and was like, hey, I'm so excited to see everyone at Omega. And I would love to come on the podcast and talk about how community
2:21.1	and how the connections I've made through this work have buoyed me through the messy
2:29.3	middle. Because, you know, something we came to on the talk, I'll just give a little spoiler, is that isn't all of life kind of sort of the messy middle?
2:39.3	You know, if we have the right perspective, it's all happening and it's all evolving and we are ascending up the mountain as Lisa and I teach in concentric circles up the mountain. And also, it is so much less
2:55.4	painful when we don't judge it, when we don't say, what's wrong with me? Why am I not
2:59.1	better? Why am I not further along? And so I feel like as the conversation went on, we really
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