Welcome to the Cure for Chronic Pain podcast with me, Nicole Sacks.

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Hello, my friends. How is everybody today? This is Nicole.

And you've reached my podcast, The Cure for Chronic Pain. Welcome to it. So happy to be here

with you guys today. We are rolling into the summer. I don't know about you guys, but the kids are

finishing up with school and there are graduations and there are celebrations, especially

in our family because Lisa's's daughter, Kate, who is

basically my daughter, too. We always joke. Somehow I must have given birth to her with our similarities.

She is graduating high school. God, it's such like an insanely poignant moment that I know so many

of you guys understand. And of course, then I will be

looking into the next year of Charlotte's last year living in my house. So much big emotion.

And this is why it's so good to have our journal speak because anything that goes on in the moment today, I promise you, has roots and has ties and has vestiges in places that can be tender.

Not necessarily bad or painful, but tender. And when you are able to embrace the wholeness of it

and really see it from every angle and interrogate it and investigate it with compassion and excavate it,

you really are able to keep it from being expressed through your body. So Lisa and I are

certainly doing a lot of that lately. And we're also in pretty serious final prep for Omega.

And one of our Omega alums, also an alum of our membership community, the Heel with Nicole community, is Jamie. And Jamie reached out to us recently and was like, hey, I'm so excited to see everyone at Omega. And I would love to come on the podcast and talk about how community

and how the connections I've made through this work have buoyed me through the messy

middle. Because, you know, something we came to on the talk, I'll just give a little spoiler, is that isn't all of life kind of sort of the messy middle?

You know, if we have the right perspective, it's all happening and it's all evolving and we are ascending up the mountain as Lisa and I teach in concentric circles up the mountain. And also, it is so much less

painful when we don't judge it, when we don't say, what's wrong with me? Why am I not

better? Why am I not further along? And so I feel like as the conversation went on, we really

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