Welcome to the Cure for Chronic Pain Podcast with me, Nicole Sachs.

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This is Nicole, and you have reached my podcast, The Cure for Chronic Pain.

With me, Nicole Sachs, welcome to it. So happy to be together today.

So today is an incredible interview I did with Bree. Wow, Bree has been through it at a very young age she was really sidelined with

TMS and I'll just give a little list of the things that she wrote to me about in her first email

I pain panic attacks

acid reflux that was so terrible she would lose her voice

even though she hadn't changed anything about her diet, back pain, long,

COVID, neck pain, shoulder pain, and severe anxiety, so much so that at one point

Bree had to move back in to be taken care of by her mother with her children. It's a terrible feeling.

Affected her marriage and you know it's just really really difficult to be in that kind of terror.

You know, of course it's difficult to be in that kind of terror.

You know, of course it's difficult to be in that kind of pain.

But, you know, if there's anything my experience has taught me

is the terror actually drowns you more than the pain because of the meaning and the fear that is attached to chronic illness.

And this does not mean, of course, if you're familiar with my work that you are hysterical, too sensitive, making

it up, it's not in your head, but it is the panic and fear generated by the pain that perpetuates the pain because it sends the nervous system

messages of danger, danger, danger.

So much that we will get into in this conversation. Just a quick note that this conversation was the first one in our new studio and we were just having some growing pains with the audio so my microphone is not as good as it will be but but there's no reason to

scrap an interview that is so powerful so moving forward even with technological

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