Hello and welcome to the Anche Rises, the Fuck Up, the podcast. I'm your host, Amanda Francis,

and today I have something special for you. Me and my good friend Kara. Yes, Kara from the Champaign

Diet. Many of you probably know and love her. She wrote the foreword to my book. She's been a friend

of mine for years.

She has published something like nine books.

Her and I got together and did kind of a joint episode, a joint interview, where we spoke with each other about writing a book, our self-publishing journeys, the pros and cons of

self-publishing versus traditional publishing, and cons of self-publishing versus traditional

publishing, what we've learned, what we've experienced, and how we want to help others.

So enjoy this episode. And if you feel so called, I would love to have you in our new course.

Thank you. love to have you in our new course. All right.

Hi, guys.

This is Kara and Amanda. And we're here to talk about self-publishing.

This is our first, like, joint podcast. I feel like we should be across from each other in a studio or something.

I know. That'd be really cute. Yeah, we're going to share this on both of our podcasts. So welcome to both.

And she rises and style your mind. Yeah. Hello. Welcome. Welcome. Thank you

guys for tuning in. We're really excited to be here. We wanted to come on and talk about our journeys with

self-publishing. We, you know, I think if you listen to my show, if you listen to Amanda's show,

follow the both of us, you know we have both self-published books and we have a lot to say about the topic and why

we decided to self-publish and what it has meant for us and how it can help you and how we can

help you. So Amanda, do you want to like kick it off and just kind of tell people like,

just say what I would say. Yeah. Yeah. No, I mean, when I had always wanted to write a book my entire life,

I always knew I'd write at least one book, probably, I've always thought I was going to write four,

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