I'm Jason Concepcion and this is Foundation, the official podcast from Apple TV Plus.

Joining me again is David Escoyer, showrunner and executive producer.

We're also joined by co-executive producer and writer Lee Dana Jackson.

And we're going to get into episode four of Barbarians with Gate.

Once again, spoilers will be in this podcast episode if you have not watched episode four.

Stop now, watch the episode and come back.

Foundation, the official podcast is your guide to the galaxy from

Trans-Tour to Terminus to an Acrean.

Space is a big place.

We have to make it smaller, make it brighter and add some context to everything you see on the show.

David, Dana, how are you?

Good, awesome, yeah.

We talked to David about this previously and he talked about assembling a writer's room

that had overlapping skills.

What was your relationship to sci-fi and to foundation?

I'm a huge genre person, huge genre nerd.

I had no relationship with foundation.

I mean, full disclosure, it's part of that generation of sci-fi that was like white dudes

in the fifties, writing about stuff that had nothing to do with people who look like me

and none of us are in that world, so I just, I didn't read that.

I mean, I read like five pages of it as a kid, I read like five pages of dune, all

of that whole generation of stuff I had no interest in.

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