I'm Jason Kitzepsion, this is Foundation, the official podcast from Apple TV Plus.

We are your guide to the galaxy from Trantor to Terminus to an accrian space is huge,

space is vast, we aim to make it smaller, make it brighter and add some, hopefully, really

interesting context to everything that you see on the show.

This week, we're joined by a showrunner and executive producer David S. Goyer and co-executive

producer and writer Jane Espenson to talk about episode three, the mathematicians ghost.

Welcome David and Jane, how are you?

We're great.

Fantastic.

By the way, everybody, spoilers, spoiler spoilers, there were really spoilers for episode three.

If you have not watched, the mathematicians ghost go do so now, come back to us, I promise

the podcast will still be here, I'm going to do a short recap on what we just saw.

On Trantor, 400 years before the events that we've seen previously, we see an aged

Clean the first, the original, watching the construction of the star bridge and ruined

the fact that he's old and he's not going to get to live to see its completion.

We fast forward to 19 years after the star bridge attack, which we saw at the end of episode

one.

The genetic dynasty is at the cusp of a new generation, old daddy dusk.

He wants to go up to the wreckage of the star bridge and salvage the legacy of Clean

the first.

Brothers dawn and day, after a nice supper, they take them up to see it one last time and

a new dawn is born from its birthing tank and old dusk is disintegrated.

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