I'm Jason Concepcion and this is Foundation, the official podcast from Apple TV Plus.

Here again joining me is David S. Goyer, showrunner and executive producer and co-executive

producer and writer Lee Dana Jackson.

Today we're talking about episode 5, Upon Awakening, by the way folks, there are spoilers ahead.

So again, if you haven't watched the episode, what are you doing?

Go back and watch it and then come back here.

Like recap for this episode, Gail wakes up after a very significant nap, Farah and the

Inakrians are taking their fight to the next level and we'll be talking about the roots

and religion of a culture in this episode and how that shapes the decisions our characters.

Make Gail is back in our lives.

Talk about what this is like for her waking up and realizing, oh my god, like how long

have I been out?

Over 30 years.

Yeah.

Also, just the fun of, you know, at the end of episode two, she's sort of jettisoned in

this pod and the plan is complete disarray and I remember pitching, it's so funny I said

to Apple, I don't want to bring her back until episode five.

I'm like, oh no, you can't wait that long, the audience will be like, but I thought when

she shows up at the very end of episode four, I just wanted to keep the audience on

its toes and this is a, where we arrived at this episode is we had done this short film

with the sort of life cycle of dusk in episode three and we were really happy with that

and we thought, well, let's start this episode with Gail's backstory and the one thing

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