Hello and welcome back to Drilled. I'm Amy Westervelt. In this season, we are going chapter by

chapter of a new but very readable academic book that has gathered together all of the peer-reviewed

research on climate obstruction globally. So really digging into the research and

everything we know about how this works. Because as much as inaction on climate often gets

framed as, you know, lack of science or perhaps the wrong messaging framework, this, that, and the

other,

it's important to remember that we're here because of various acts of sabotage,

that certain industries and certain individuals spend a lot of money and a lot of time

to block any kind of government policy,

to warp the information ecosystem,

and to convince the 89% of people globally,

89% who want to see action on climate change

that nobody else cares,

and so they shouldn't talk about it. This isn't just a thing

that happened organically. And it's also not a thing that just the fossil fuel industry did.

Lots of other industries see regulation of emissions as an existential threat. And we're going to talk

about a big one today, the animal

agriculture industry, the meat guys and dairy. They spend a lot of money and a lot of time

to convince people that excessive consumption of meat and dairy are healthy, that they are part of various cultural identities,

all sorts of other things. I'm joined today by Catherine Labr from University of Edinburgh and Sylvia

Seki from the University of Iowa. We had a fascinating conversation. They blew my mind multiple times throughout this. So I hope

you enjoy it as much as I did. And for those of you who prefer to consume your podcast on YouTube,

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