I'm Molly Wansall and I'm Geoffrey Wonsall and for the last 16 years or thereabouts we have been having lunch every Saturday and often our conversation turns to murder

and that's what's prompted us to launch this true crime podcast called blood ties.

Hello everyone welcome back to the blood ties. I'm Geoffrey Wansall and I'm here, I'm afraid, without my daughter, Molly, who's, well, not only been incredibly busy, but it's got a cold. Not, thank goodness, COVID or influenza, just a nasty cold. So it's just me today.

But I hope that doesn't upset you too much.

Thank you all for listening, as ever.

I've had some wonderful emails from listeners this week,

particularly like the interview we did with Greg last week about his book on the Tylenol killings. And a lot of you

asking if I could do that kind of thing more, well, I most certainly will. I'll do more in

2003. I think Molly and I are going to do a couple more this year and then take a break until mid-January or the end towards the end of January, 23.

But I hope that means you'll enjoy them.

I'm, next week I'm doing yet more true crime documentaries.

They seem to come round with an incredible regularity.

Next week I'm filming on the famous Timothy Evans, John Christie case,

at Ten Rillington Place in Notting Hill in London,

has one film, and others on a set of particularly unpleasant killers,

most of whom I've worked on before, for someone else entirely.

So you never really know when these documentaries are released,

and I often don't know.

And so people say, oh, well, I just saw you.

And I say, I really, goodness, and it comes to surprise to me.

But it's very flattering to be asked to do it, and I suppose

it means I must be doing something broadly right. I think it is quite difficult to make these

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