I'm Molly Wansall and I'm Geoffrey Wansel and for the last 16 years or thereabouts we've been having lunch every Saturday and often our conversation turns to murder

and that's what's prompted us to launch this true crime podcast called blood ties. Hi everyone welcome back to the blood podcast. I'm Molly Wansall and I'm here with my father, Jeffrey Wansel.

Hello everyone. Welcome back. Very good to have you with us again. So yeah, this is our sixth podcast, the last one before Christmas and before 2018.

Yes, and in 2018 we may even do more of these podcasts because so many people seem to like them.

Yeah, hopefully we'll, yeah.

If it goes well, maybe we'll do them more frequently, but at the moment we're sticking with bi-weekly.

And we've got a whole list of people to get through for next year.

We're going to have to do our list, aren't we, Dad?

We are.

Who we're going to do?

I think I'd like to do Jamie Reynolds as the first in 2018.

Okay, that's fine.

Because it's an interesting case and really quite dramatic.

Yeah, it's also not one I don't think that people, many people know about it.

No.

Well, it's only...

It's a very unpleasant murder, but it is only one.

Yeah.

And he was very young.

Yeah.

The killer.

But what marks it out is he was the youngest man ever to be given a whole life term in Britain,

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