I'm Molly Wansall and I'm Geoffrey Wansall and for the last 16 years or thereabouts we have been having lunch every Saturday and often our conversation turns to murder

and that's what's prompted us to launch this true crime podcast called blood ties.

Hi everyone, welcome back to Blood Ties podcast.

I am Molly Wansel and I'm here with my father, Jeffrey Wansel.

Good afternoon, everyone.

How nice you're back with us.

So this is podcast number five.

I can't believe it's gone so quickly.

It's nearly Christmas.

One more podcast before the end of the year.

How's your week being, Dad?

Or two weeks, sorry, two weeks.

Two weeks have been extremely busy, partly because I got consulted a lot about the defence team for Michael Stone, who was convicted of the killing of Lynn and Megan Russell, who remember they left a little girl Josie, the nine-year-old, who didn't die.

I mean, it made every attempt to kill her, but in fact, she just survived and now lives with her father in Wales.

Hammer attack.

Hammer attack, yeah. Now, I first heard about Stone in 2011 when I was finishing the

Belfield book and the defence team came to me and said, we think Stone didn't do it, we think Belfield did.

And I said, I'm afraid I don't agree with you.

Oh, well, wouldn't you support us?

I said, well, I'm sorry, I can't support the fact that I don't believe the killing of

Lynn and Megan Russell was Belfield's handiwork.

Yeah, sorry, I think just to interject and not to interrupt you there, Dad.

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