S06 E09: Fallout

Nobody Should Believe Me

True Story Media

Society & Culture, True Crime, Personal Journals

4.2 • 3.3K Ratings

🗓️ 5 September 2025

⏱️ 61 minutes

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As the story of the McDaniel family continues to send shockwaves through the communities Lisa was involved with, we check in with Mishelle about what else has come to light and what her mother has been up to since the season aired. We take a deeper dive into the of role of The Guthy Jackson Foundation–Lisa’s former employer– and cover how they’ve responded to the news about Lisa. We also speak to Rob Reich, Professor of Political Science at Stanford University and author of Just Giving: Why Philanthropy Is Failing Democracy and How It Can Do Better–to give us context for foundations like Guthy-Jackson and why we should pay attention to them. *** This episode discusses allegations and interpretations based on court records, public documents, interviews, and reporting. All organizations and individuals mentioned have been given the opportunity to respond, and their statements are included where provided. Nothing here should be taken as a claim of personal culpability beyond what has been legally or publicly established. *** Read Just Giving by Rob Reich: https://press.princeton.edu/books/hardcover/9780691183497/just-giving Order Andrea's new book The Mother Next Door: Medicine, Deception, and Munchausen by Proxy. Click here to view our sponsors. Remember that using our codes helps advertisers know you’re listening and helps us keep making the show! Subscribe on YouTube where we have full episodes and lots of bonus content. Follow Andrea on Instagram: @andreadunlop Buy Andrea's books here. For more information and resources on Munchausen by Proxy, please visit MunchausenSupport.com The American Professional Society on the Abuse of Children’s MBP Practice Guidelines can be downloaded here. Learn more about your ad choices. Visit podcastchoices.com/adchoices

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0:00.0	True Story Media
0:05.4	People listening to this, they will have heard in the finale, which is very much not the finale, because holy cow, there's a lot happening behind the scenes.
0:16.0	But, you know, we laid out some of what we hoped Guthey Jackson would do in light of the information
0:24.8	that they now had. And of course, that episode was recorded a couple of months ago. And so now
0:30.8	we do know what they have done. So I wanted to talk about that. But before we get into all of that,
0:40.5	just how are you doing? How has this been for you? Yeah, what alerted question, right? It's been a lot. I think that
0:50.9	is the best thing I can say is a lot. It's all been very, very emotional.
0:56.9	And the last episode hit me really, really hard of just like me and Sabrina having that
1:02.2	moment to like reclaim college. What I, I guess what I didn't expect was the outreach that
1:08.6	I've gotten. And like everybody has been so incredibly positive and
1:12.5	supportive and I'm so thankful. But it's also a little overwhelming. And like I don't say that
1:19.8	to take away from how grateful I am for it because I really am grateful for every single person that has
1:26.1	listened who has reached out to me,
1:28.6	but it is a lot and a little overwhelming at times.
1:32.8	So I'm taking lots of breaks from my phone, taking lots of breaks from social media,
1:40.1	and, you know, spending the summer with my kiddos and just trying to take it, you know, one day at the time.
1:46.1	Because there's a lot, there's a lot of information that has come out.
1:49.7	You know, there's just a lot, a lot of new information.
1:52.9	Yeah.
1:53.4	Yeah. And, I mean, I think we, too, have been surprised by just the amount of people coming forward with new details.
2:03.5	Certainly outpaces anything that we've had on the show before.
2:07.7	There's different groups of people that you've heard from and that I've talked to
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