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I was live streaming patient day is what I was doing which is how I saw what she said

and you know I just kind of sat there and I just tried to like let it sink in for a minute. But then there was also this lack of like substance to it. And, um, and I turned to my husband and I said, you know, I don't, I don't really know what I expected, but I'm still disappointed. Like I didn't really expect much, but I'm sort of disappointed. And he was like, well, yeah, like she couldn't even say their names.

I don't think she owes me anything because she owes Colin.

If there's anybody in this entire world that she owes, it's him. It's Colin.

As we talked about in the last episode, the Guthey Jackson Foundation's public response to the revelations about Lisa McDaniel has been minimal. And Michelle's attempt to

reach out to Victoria back in May and speak to her directly was politely rebuffed. We followed up with

Victoria to ask about their next steps and how they're addressing this with their patient population,

and those questions did not receive a response. But Victoria is continuing to talk publicly about her work just as she's done for years.

And in light of what's happened, this glowing press coverage, such as being named one of Forbes' top 50 over 50 in July, mere weeks after this story broke, feels a little dissonant.

Because Victoria has built her reputation not just as a rare disease

advocate and a business person, but as a devoted mom on a mission to use her frequent turn of

phrase and someone who cares deeply about others affected by NMO.

Victoria didn't interview about her story recently on Monica Lewinsky's podcast Reclaiming,

which included the usual praise for her advocacy. This interview aired on August 5th. The same day, Guthey Jackson

made the announcement about Corey Wolf being promoted to replace Lisa, which included the sole

direct mention of Lisa to date that we know of. It was buried in the bottom of the announcement where they wrote that Lisa was not

authorized to represent Guthey Jackson in any way and had not been with the foundation for

some time.

And it's easy to see why all of this doesn't sit right with Michelle.

There are parts of this interview that will probably come across angry, which is something I don't,

I don't know. I haven't had given myself the opportunity to feel a whole lot of since I was like

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