Case Files 24: Women Who Lead Double Lives with Sarah Treleaven

Nobody Should Believe Me

True Story Media

Personal Journals, Society & Culture, True Crime

4.2 • 3.3K Ratings

🗓️ 28 August 2025

⏱️ 84 minutes

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Summary

Today we have a very special crossover episode with journalist and host/producer of The Con: Katilyn’s Baby, Sarah Treleaven. Sarah and Andrea recount how they met many years ago and the similarities in their work with Munchausen and Munchausen adjacent stories. Sarah reveals a personal story about how she got into this line of work. Kaitlyn’s Baby, is about a woman that had been serially fabricating pregnancies, contacting doulas, and once they had agreed to help, taking them through a series of escalating crises. Andrea and Sarah dive into the depth of emotional betrayal experienced by the victims in this case and the thrill of deception experienced by these perpetrators. Sarah talks about the lack of framework in the criminal justice system for someone who has not been physically harmed or cheated out of their money or property, as well as the complicated questions that arise for her as she investigates these cases. *** Listen to The Con: Kaitlyn’s Baby: https://podcasts.apple.com/at/podcast/the-con-kaitlyns-baby/id1663956121 Order Andrea’s book The Mother Next Door: Medicine, Deception, and Munchausen by Proxy. Click here to view our sponsors. Remember that using our codes helps advertisers know you’re listening and helps us keep making the show! Subscribe on YouTube where we have full episodes and lots of bonus content. Follow Andrea on Instagram: @andreadunlop Buy Andrea's books here. For more information and resources on Munchausen by Proxy, please visit MunchausenSupport.com The American Professional Society on the Abuse of Children’s MBP Practice Guidelines can be downloaded here. Learn more about your ad choices. Visit podcastchoices.com/adchoices

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0:00.0	True Story Media
0:05.4	Hello, it's Andrea, and today I have a crossover moment that I am so excited about,
0:15.8	which is my conversation with journalist Sarah Trelevin.
0:20.0	I have known Sarah for years and she has done some
0:22.6	truly excellent stories on munchausen cases, including the one featured in her hit CBC podcast,
0:29.2	Caitlin's Baby. Today's conversation is really one chapter in a conversation that Sarah and I
0:35.0	have been having for years. And I'm so excited to share it with you.
0:39.0	I am so appreciative of Sarah's insights. I highly recommend that you check out Caitlin's baby.
0:44.7	You can listen to the whole series wherever you get your podcast. genuinely, if you love my show,
0:49.3	I feel like there is just a zero percent chance that you will not like Sarah's work.
0:53.5	10 out of 10 recommend on this one.
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1:21.6	on Apple and sharing on social or wherever you talk to people.
1:25.1	We are an independent podcast, and all of that stuff really helps.
1:29.0	Thank you so much for listening. And now here's my episode with Sarah Trelevin.
1:34.1	These are harrowing times in America, especially for our friends and neighbors in immigrant communities.
1:39.5	So if you're looking for resources or ways to help, we wanted to let you know about a wonderful organization that we're partnering with this month. The National Immigrant Justice Center has worked for more
1:48.0	than 40 years to defend the rights of immigrants. NIGC blends direct legal services, impact
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