This is Karen Hunter and welcome to the hub. Let me welcome Dr. Philip Atiba Gough. Welcome.

Thank you very much.

Yay. And that is Marie Daniel Favors, Center for Law and Social Justice, and she stuck around just for you sir because

we need some answers we need some answers to this question. First of all you in your

TED Talk you talked about racism.

So define that, because you said people get it confused.

They don't know what the real definition is of racism.

They really do get it twisted. And I shouldn't say they for everybody because there's some people get it more

twisted than other people but for lots of folks they want to reduce racism to just how white people feel about black people.

And I said this a bunch of times, especially

in the last seven weeks.

When have you ever been at a protest or seen video

of a protest and you hear black people chinning?

What do we want?

White people to feel differently about us.

That's never happened ever before.

Because racism is not about white people's feelings.

Racism is about the patterns of abuse and neglect that happened to black and brown communities, right?

You don't have racism without history and you don't have racism without power.

We don't need the word racism if you don't have history and power connected to it.

So if you reduce racism to prejudice and bigotry,

then you reduce the problem to white people's feelings.

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