This is Karen Hunter and welcome to the hub. been joining us and I hope he comes back because we have so much to talk about but

the show is slammed I just fit him in because this show is about action and when you

hear people out there not just sitting and complaining and bitching and doing this circular thing, but actually doing something, I want to talk to them because there's a blueprint there.

So let me welcome to the show. He is the founder of defeat by tweet. Let me welcome

Xander Schultz welcome. Okay. All right before we get into defeat by tweet and what you guys are launching today, you know, I'm looking at you. I'm thinking that you might be a little melonemic. I think you are.

Yeah, as you process everything that you've heard us talk about and even Doc Rivers, the clip that we played regarding

Jacob Blake, why don't more people get it?

Oh, I mean, look, my only theory for change is proximity.

I think we have a country where a lot of people

aren't proximate to other folks, right?

Like I grew up in the San Francisco Bay Area, I went to the school that was

profiled in dangerous minds, so I grew up with everyone, all this shit was real, we would switch

who was driving the car based on which neighborhood we were in because we knew we'd get pulled over if it wasn't the right person in the driver's seat.

So like, you know, a lot of my lived experiences, like all this stuff was already real, so I wasn't, I didn't, you know, get woken up to it by a particular moment or, you know, by,

by, fortunately all of the, you know, police killings that we've now seen because of

social media and these cameras on

our phone over the years it was always I was always proximate to it but I have the

lucky experience of knowing a lot of people who aren't proximate to these things

so you know I was hearing the conversation earlier, I think people focus on self-preservation.

And a lot of defect in our species is the ability to project out danger even when you're not in current

danger to Dr. Ver's point. People can project out potential danger more easily

than they can feel the danger people are experiencing in real time and react to it.

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