S E192: "The Fire Next Time": The Male/Female Divide
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🗓️ 23 October 2019
⏱️ 13 minutes
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Karen explores James Baldwin's observations while dining at the home of the Honorable Elijah Muhammad, which he writes about in his The Fire Next Time.
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| 0:00.0 | This is Karen Hunter and welcome to the hub. And the fire next time James Baldwin talks about the relationship between men and |
| 0:18.6 | women through the lens of the nation of Islam. As I mentioned in the last podcast he had dinner over Elijah the that the men sat at one table, the women sat at another, and he admired though so many tenants and |
| 0:37.4 | elements of the nation of Islam, but then he had to hold up the hypocrisy and he goes into some things in this book that I was like |
| 0:45.4 | oh Baldwin wasn't a he was not afraid he was about this life he mentioned some things |
| 0:50.4 | about the foundings of the nation of Islam or the funding of the |
| 0:53.1 | nation of Islam that I was like okay but as a group and this is the thing you |
| 0:57.4 | know we need to be able to both be critical admire I say it all the time chew chew up the meat, spit out the bones, and not be a heretic. |
| 1:06.2 | You know, we should be able to question things, as I mentioned in the last podcast, including the very faith that we purport and still be valid in that. |
| 1:18.1 | If your group organization, faith can't be tested, how strong is it really and if anything iron sharpens iron if |
| 1:28.4 | anything the the scrutiny should propel you into even being more strong, even being stronger. |
| 1:36.5 | So he's writing in here about, you know, Chicago, |
| 1:40.2 | not just Chicago, all of the neighborhoods |
| 1:42.0 | and the liquor and the drugs and everything that's going on. not just |
| 1:45.0 | in Chicago, all of the neighborhoods and the liquor and the drugs and everything that's going on in our community, the junkies, |
| 1:47.0 | and he said there's so many churches and junkies. |
| 1:50.0 | So you think about if you live in the hood, right? And I've said this many times before. |
| 1:54.8 | There'll be a church next to a liquor store, liquor store church, |
| 1:58.4 | church, liquor store, liquor store, liquor store, junkie. You know, and it's like, |
| 2:02.0 | how is it possible that there are so many liquor stores and junkies on the same block with churches because if the church is really feeding the people you couldn't have that on your street. |
| 2:11.0 | But that's another podcast for another day or it's probably |
| 2:13.3 | what I've already done but in the fire next time James Baldwin he writes |
| 2:17.2 | protect your women so he's going through this series is almost like call and |
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