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In Class with Carr

S E191: "The Fire Next Time:" What Place Do Black People Have in America?

In Class with Carr

Knarrative

Africana Studies, Society & Culture, Education, History, Karen Hunter, Empowerment, Greg Carr

4.9972 Ratings

🗓️ 21 October 2019

⏱️ 15 minutes

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Karen ponders James Baldwin's writing about The Nation of Islam's call for a separate nation for Black people.

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0:00.0

This year I'm planning to go to Africa. It is the 400th anniversary or

0:17.6

commemoration of the first enslaved people, those 20 somewhat Negroes that landed here in 1619 in Jamestown, Virginia.

0:26.0

And there's been a lot of thought, some thought that I never thought I would have

0:32.0

about what it might be like to live somewhere

0:35.1

other than the United States of America. I've never my entire life imagined

0:40.2

that that was even a possibility but slowly is creeping in and I'm thinking I'm excited

0:44.8

to see what other lands look like you know it's a huge continent it's got a lot of

0:51.2

countries there's a lot of culture I don't know what I'm going to feel when I get there, but it's making me think, especially as every day I'm confronted with these stories from a Tatiana Jefferson, both am John, Alton Sterling,

1:08.3

Philando Kasteel, Trayvon Martin, Tamir Rice, Sandra Bland, like I can go on and as you realize that the value of your life and the value of your contributions is through a lens that people can't quite see you, that your that you're constantly having to prove yourself, not to yourself,

1:28.1

not to yourself, but to the people around you

1:32.0

who hold the purse strings, many of them,

1:34.4

that you're constantly having to validate your intellect

1:38.4

and your personhood to people who just

1:42.0

seem to lack all manner of humanity and it just makes it difficult every day that you know

1:47.1

You live in a world where people could cast a vote for Boris Johnson that people could support Boris Johnson and cast a vote for

1:55.1

Donald Trump. It's weird but not weird and it is given rise to a lot of thought

2:01.4

about what is my place here in America. What is my

2:06.6

place? How am I tolerated? So I'm reading the fire next time which you guys know that I'm reading James Baldwin's great

2:15.4

Seminary work the fire next time and and he talks about a meeting with Elijah Mohammed and actually he's he's at the place that I am in the book he's at dinner with Elijah

2:24.8

Mohammed and there's discussion around the table as the men sit on one side and

2:29.5

the women sit on another and I know I'm going to do a podcast about that separation because it, you know, while there is a definite attraction to the dignity and the respect and the way in which men treat women, etc.

2:44.4

The separation bothers me.

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