Ryan Holiday is always a favorite guest on this podcast. I don't know Jay how many books is he written that we've covered on this

podcast probably like eight or nine starting from trust me I'm lying which was his

marketing masterpiece to all the books about Stoicism starting starting with the obstacle is the way.

The latest one, which is part of his Stoics Virtue series, is right thing, right now.

Subtitle is good values, good character, good deeds, so many interesting eye-opening

stories about, we obviously know that it's in general good to do the right thing but it's often hard we often don't

really understand the benefits to ourselves to society I mean again the stories that Ryan talks about are beautiful. The examples are great. It's entertaining. And I really learned something that I think will make my life better. And then of course, Ryan and I have a gazillion other things

we talk about.

So here's Ryan Holiday.

This isn't your average business podcast and he's not your average host.

This is the James Altager show. I like what do you mean? It's like different

I like how this book is cut.

Like what do you mean?

Do you realize it's like different dimensions than the usual business book?

Oh, yeah, I think all of them, the other two in the series are the same size, I think.

Yeah, but I just noticed it for some reason I feel like this

one's a little maybe because it's a little thicker I don't know yeah I like the

smaller trim the smaller trim size too yeah and it Yeah, and it's a little, like the width versus length is a little different than the average book.

Yeah, yeah, I think so.

I like that.

How do they decide on that design? I'm just curious. I think this is the size they decided for obstacle and they've been more or less the same ever since

and technically like I view obstacle as the same series as this, but technically obstacle and the few books after that are different series, right?

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