I'm John Bachelor, and it's a pleasure to welcome Anatole Liven of the Quincy Institute

responsible statecraft to come in on the tumbling events in Russia and Ukraine in these last

hours.

The fog has descended on all the conflict zones from rust off on dawn to Moscow.

What we know right now is the word coup is being used routinely in reporting in the west,

particularly in London, but it's not being not used in the New York Times and other newspapers.

Coup is a very large concept that has a special meeting to Russians and people who know Russian

history.

First of whom I, number Anatole Liven, so Anatole has the Russian.

He also has traveled widely in the country, and he and his colleagues have been cautious

about this possibility for more than a year, and here it is.

Progoze in the leader of a private army is now vowing to remove the leadership of the Russian

army, Erasmov, and the defense minister, Shoggo.

He has not said the same of Putin, but Mr. Putin has responded to what we know so far

about the effort of the Vagna Group not only to capture rust off, but to move up the 680

kilometer, I believe, highway to Moscow and take the Kremlin away from the man, the man

Progoze believes have betrayed Russia.

Mr. Putin is making also remarks about Progoze as betraying Russia, so rather than any more

preview, Anatole, a very good day to you.

Thank you for doing this.

Your first thoughts when the news emerged, it was overnight my time, it would have been

the middle of night your time.

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