I'm John Bachelorette.

I welcome Katrina Vendenhover, the editorial director and publisher of the Nation magazine.

Long experience in Russian history and the Russian language traveled to Russia much before

the war, and hopes to travel after the war, but right now we're in a grey zone.

The word coup is used on both sides of the Atlantic.

The word mutiny is used in Europe.

The word mutiny is used in Russia.

We have a fog of mutiny coup descending on us.

We do know that Pregozion's Vognogrupe is said to be advancing on Moscow by driving straight

up the M4, more than 600 kilometers from Rostov on Don, where Vognogrupe looks to be encamped,

and Moscow, as of this moment London, the telegraph, is reporting no major Russian military

units have intervened in any fashion I am for.

Most of this moment there was a helicopter firing on a fuel depot on the halfway point

to Moscow, possibly to limit the ability of the Vognogrupe to reach Moscow.

I did see troop carriers.

I did see a tank carrier with a big flatbed with a tank on the back.

There are many military units in Rostov on Don, which is the large city closest to Ukraine.

Katrina, a very good day to you.

Thank you very much for joining.

What were your first thoughts when you heard about Pregozion, Moscow, Putin's anger,

and the so far, the violence has been limited to an attack on an oil depot.

As of this moment, we do not believe Russians are firing on Russians.

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