#RUSSIA: TARGETING OR ENLISTING MUSK? CRAIG UNGER, AUTHOR "DEN OF SPIES."
The John Batchelor Show
John Batchelor
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🗓️ 15 May 2025
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| 0:00.0 | This is CBS, I on the world. I'm John Batchel. The Financial Times reporting on Doge. |
| 0:10.2 | What has Elon Musk-Dose actually achieved? Subhead Financial Times. Six months after the so-called |
| 0:16.2 | Department of Government Efficiency was unveiled, it has yet to find a fraction of the hope for savings. |
| 0:23.3 | What this adds up to is that Musk talks very big. However, I welcome my colleague Craig Unger, |
| 0:30.9 | the author of Most Recently, Den of Spies, about an operation called October Surprise in 1980, |
| 0:36.7 | but we're coming right up to 2025 because on |
| 0:40.2 | German public television, thanks to Craig, I was directed to it. It's available for everyone. |
| 0:45.2 | There is a bizarre program, and it makes remarks and observations about Elon Musk that are not |
| 0:52.6 | in our news yet. Craig, a very good evening to you. |
| 0:56.0 | You guided me to this. |
| 0:58.0 | I watched it in translation, |
| 1:00.0 | and a filmmaker named Hono, Johannes Hono, German, |
| 1:06.0 | was interviewed at length on German public television, |
| 1:09.0 | which is an interesting format. |
| 1:10.0 | They actually |
| 1:10.9 | took messages at the end and asked questions from the audience. The allegations are alarming. |
| 1:17.6 | And I understand Mr. Hono has a source who is named Buma, B-U-M-A. What did he learn from Mr. Buma about Mr. Musk? |
| 1:30.7 | Jonathan Buma was until recently with the FBI. He was with the FBI's counterintelligence |
| 1:36.4 | unit investigating how foreign nations, specifically Russia, among others, were influencing the American government. |
| 1:45.9 | And he's been doing this for years. He is now no longer with the FBI. And he has alleged |
| 1:53.0 | that Elon Musk is being influenced by Russia. I've been writing about Donald Trump as a Russian asset, Buma is alleging that |
| 2:05.3 | that, uh, uh, that Elon Musk is one. |
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