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I'm Jack thatatchel with my good colleagues, David Livingston of the space show. He is Dr.

Space and Anatolese Act of the Russian Space Web. Both sites I recommend to follow what

happens next, which is we've moved past the geeky stage.

We're into commercial and operational and exploring stage, low earth orbit,

La Grange points, the moon, Mars, all coming. But you need details. And we're talking about

the details that the Russians need for their own space station after ISS is deorbited.

David, do you have a question about the future?

And totally realistically, a timeline for an operational post-ISS Russian station given all that they need to build out on the ground as well as the station,

and might they take in partners?

So politically it's very difficult for them right now to get partners besides Iran and North Korea.

So this is kind of out of the question.

And of course, Chinese have their own space station,

and they pretty much run their own program.

So they pretty much on their own.

At this point, they have to do the space station.

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