What is up everyone? Welcome back to the Epic Gardening Podcast. Kevin here and we're back with

Erica Nolan of Instar Farms. So yesterday we talked about just a little bit about

Erica and how she got started in her gardening business and you

know it's very very cool because it's very much like my own it's a winding path

where you sort of come across what I guess you could say is maybe what was

staring you in the face the whole time and you finally say okay let's just do the

thing that I I pretty much always knew I wanted to do and let's figure out how to make it work.

And so what we're going to talk about today is more of the practical aspects.

If you're out there and you love plants and maybe you have the same sort of underlying feeling

as Eric or myself,

how do I live a life where plants are a bit more part of it,

and how do I maybe even potentially turn that into a business?

Well then today's episode is perfect because that's what we're talking about. So Erica, when we're talking about, you know, someone

who wants to potentially start something, maybe not the exact same, but similar to you, you know, a business where you're either

helping people install gardens or you're maintaining gardens, things like that. What were some of the biggest, I guess,

successes and maybe some of the biggest fails when you were starting out?

Yeah, there has been a lot of both of those.

So in the very beginning, as I would say, honestly with just about any business is you have to hustle harder than you know you can.

And that means up in your hustle continuously, you know, like never accepting tiredness and looking

for every opportunity possible because you don't know which opportunity is going to be that springboard into action.

So when I first started I had mentioned before that I was just doing all kinds of crazy things. I was like delivering plants to people's

doorsteps. I was growing like hot peppers and then making hot sauce and selling

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