Hi and welcome to the working songwriter, the show where today's best songwriters come to talk shop.

I'm your host, Joe Pug.

Each episode here, we host a distinguished guest, and we ask them to go deep on their

inspiration, on their process, on the general ups and downs of making a life in music.

So, whether you're a grizzled veteran, going on long screeds about how much less it used to cost to gas up your tour bus in 1982, or else a scrappy upstart, listening to that rant after being paid $25 American to play as the first of three at a sports bar, this is your show, because ultimately, it is what every writer

seeks most, an ironclad excuse to put off actually writing.

Hey, everyone, it's the fourth Friday of October 2025, and I thank you for joining us.

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