Hi and welcome to the working songwriter. The show where today's best songwriters come to talk shop. I'm your host, Joe Pug.

Each episode here, we host a distinguished guest, and we ask them to go deep on their

inspiration, on their process, on the general ups and downs of making a life in music.

So, whether you're a grizzled veteran telling the Guitar Center employ how much guitar strings cost

in 1982 or else a scrappy upstart, listening to a customer complain about guitar string

prices. This is your show, because ultimately it is what every writer seeks most, an ironclad

excuse to put off actually writing.

Hey, everybody, it's the first Friday of October 2025, and I thank you for joining us.

This week's show was brought to you by Banzugal.

Built by musicians and four musicians, Banzugal is an all-in-one platform to build a beautiful

website for your music.

I'm old enough to remember when you had to pay somebody called a web developer to get a website

made.

It would always be some guy named Little Dan who drove a Nissan cube with spinning rims and who was always trying

to sell you imported Pokemon cards that seemed to be NC17. And Little Dan would charge you about

a thousand bucks for a website that would be obsolete in six months.

But it's the future now.

You guys, that's not how it works anymore.

We're allowed to have nice things now.

One of those nice things is Banzugal.

For over 20 years, Banzugal has made it easy to build a stunning website and online store for your music.

Now they've added a brand new EPK plan so that musicians can create

...