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Impolitic with John Heilemann

Robert Draper: Travels with Charlie

Impolitic with John Heilemann

Audacy | Puck

News, Politics

4.84.2K Ratings

🗓️ 17 February 2025

⏱️ 70 minutes

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Summary

John is joined by New York Times Magazine writer and bestselling author Robert Draper to discuss his new profile of the unrivaled leader of the MAGA youth movement, Charlie Kirk. Draper explains how, at just 31 and without a college degree, Kirk has emerged as a dominant force on the right through a deft combination of donor courtship (bolstering his organization, Turning Point USA), social media savvy (amplifying his own voice via TikTok and podcasting), and high-level Trumpworld personal diplomacy (cultivating friendships with Don Jr. and J.D. Vance). Draper also weighs in on the first four weeks of Trump 2.0 and whether calling Elon Musk a “dick” is a fruitful path for Democrats seeking to find their voice as the opposition party. To learn more about listener data and our privacy practices visit: https://www.audacyinc.com/privacy-policy Learn more about your ad choices. Visit https://podcastchoices.com/adchoices

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Aloha and namaste everyone and welcome to Impolit with John Heilman, a Puck, an Odyssey joint featuring lively, in-depth, sometimes just a little tiny bit profane conversations with the people

0:47.6

who roam, the corridors of power and influence in America, weaving the warp and wharf and

0:51.3

weft of our politics and culture. If you happen to be one of those people who picks through the print version of the Sunday, New York Times, you may have seen yesterday a lengthy profile of an A-list leader of the MAGA movement named Charlie Kirk.

1:08.1

Just 31 years old, Kirk is the founder and head of Turning Point USA,

1:12.8

the largest and most powerful conservative youth organization in the country, and a podcaster

1:17.0

whose reach and influence on the right is in the same vicinity as that of Tucker Carlson and Steve

1:23.3

Bannon. And although Charlie Kirk lives in Arizona, thousands of miles from the White House,

1:29.0

were Mar-a-Lago, he is a bona fide blue-chip member of Trump World's inner circle.

1:35.3

The Kirk profile is essential reading for anyone who wants to understand the nature and contours

1:39.3

of the rough beast that is MAGA, which is no surprise given that his author is one of the

1:43.9

most rigorous

1:44.5

and scrupulous, careful but colorful, clear-eyed and sharp-pinned chroniclers of contemporary

1:49.8

republicanism working in American journalism today. That man is my pal, Robert Draper. And to be fair,

1:57.1

Draper is just as good when it comes to the GOP's blue-hued ideological rival.

2:02.0

Born, raised and schooled in Texas, Robert cut his teeth at the Austin Chronicle,

2:05.7

but came into his own during a good long stretch at the Texas Monthly

2:08.3

before moving on to the big-time glossies on the East Coast, National Geographic,

2:13.1

GQ, and a bunch of other places before he landed at the Times.

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