Hello, I'm Fern Cotton, and this is Happy Place, the show that proves we're all just muddling through as best we can.

Today I'm chatting to Rob de Bank.

You're meditating with your eyes closed for the eyes open result. So what it means is you know you're

you're meditating twice a day which is a lovely thing within itself and that's where the

magic's happening but it's when you open your eyes and you go about your daily life and

then you know I used to get so envious of like stupid things like other people's

lineups I'd look at the Boomtown lineup go oh they got Conney West or they got

like this now and now that's all fallen away.

I can't think of the last time I got envious or jealous of someone and so things like that do fall away.

It's putting the time in.

Rob and I first met when we both had shows on Radio 1,

but I didn't see him that often,

because he was one of the cool de-jays,

the specialist dejays,

so he was on in the evening,

whereas I was banging out all the pop pits in the day.

So I didn't see him often but when we did we always have a little catch up and always got him really well.

And since we've gone off on these sort of different tangents which have been you know really interesting

point of conversation for both of us and if anything we're much better friends

today he obviously co-founded best of all and camp best of all which I absolutely love he and his wife Josie are so clever and they put on the most

Sensational festival and more recently we've also been working together on the Happy Place app because he's a meditation teacher now as well and his thing is yoga

Nidra which is the most relaxing guided meditation you can do. Again we talk about how

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